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	<title>Comments on: Hammond XB-2 ROMs?</title>
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		<title>By: Laci Biro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laci Biro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 09:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a similar problem: the ROMs in my old XB-2 are defective and I&#039;m  unable to find V2 images in order to burn a new set.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a similar problem: the ROMs in my old XB-2 are defective and I&#8217;m  unable to find V2 images in order to burn a new set.</p>
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		<title>By: Merlin Skinner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Merlin Skinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen EPROMs with &quot;flaky&quot; bits. Presumably the charge has decayed to a point near the threshold of the sense circuitry. I can&#039;t think of any mechanism that would make the bit latch in the flipped state - it would just more more and more likely to be read incorrectly. Light falling on the chip can also cause this.

Joe Koberg&#039;s idea of varying the supply voltage is likely to be a good strategy, as the EPROMS I had were sensitive to this. At least some programmers (e.g. DataIO) allow you to select the voltage (4.5/5.0/5.5V, perhaps). Heating as well as cooling (hairdryer/freezer) is very likely to affect this threshold as well.

Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen EPROMs with &#8220;flaky&#8221; bits. Presumably the charge has decayed to a point near the threshold of the sense circuitry. I can&#8217;t think of any mechanism that would make the bit latch in the flipped state &#8211; it would just more more and more likely to be read incorrectly. Light falling on the chip can also cause this.</p>
<p>Joe Koberg&#8217;s idea of varying the supply voltage is likely to be a good strategy, as the EPROMS I had were sensitive to this. At least some programmers (e.g. DataIO) allow you to select the voltage (4.5/5.0/5.5V, perhaps). Heating as well as cooling (hairdryer/freezer) is very likely to affect this threshold as well.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Koberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Koberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 15:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may also try reading with different voltage levels supplied to the chip; and even perhaps with the chip cold.  These are just shots in the dark.  It&#039;s my understanding that once the cell has flipped back (lost its stored charge), it&#039;s flipped for good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may also try reading with different voltage levels supplied to the chip; and even perhaps with the chip cold.  These are just shots in the dark.  It&#8217;s my understanding that once the cell has flipped back (lost its stored charge), it&#8217;s flipped for good.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Neufeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Neufeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 15:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, unfortunately one of my keyboards has the original ROMs and the other has the v2 upgrade, so I can&#039;t compare.

I&#039;m still thinking about taking the ROMs out, reading them slowly lots of times, and &quot;merging&quot; the different readings that I get from each chip, on the theory that perhaps a rotting bit won&#039;t have fully blanked yet and will still sometimes give me a 0.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, unfortunately one of my keyboards has the original ROMs and the other has the v2 upgrade, so I can&#8217;t compare.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still thinking about taking the ROMs out, reading them slowly lots of times, and &#8220;merging&#8221; the different readings that I get from each chip, on the theory that perhaps a rotting bit won&#8217;t have fully blanked yet and will still sometimes give me a 0.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Koberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Koberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 15:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Err, the other way around. Keep the 0&#039;s....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Err, the other way around. Keep the 0&#8242;s&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Koberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Koberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 15:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have two of the units maybe you can read and compare the two ROMs.

EPROM bit rot turns 0&#039;s into 1&#039;s, so everywhere one ROM has a 1 but the other a 0, keep the 1.

Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have two of the units maybe you can read and compare the two ROMs.</p>
<p>EPROM bit rot turns 0&#8242;s into 1&#8242;s, so everywhere one ROM has a 1 but the other a 0, keep the 1.</p>
<p>Joe</p>
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