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	<title>Comments on: PCB Milling with the MakerBot CupCake (Almost)</title>
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		<title>By: Darin White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darin White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 21:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith, I&#039;m using a 60 degree v-shaped bit.  It&#039;s a hand-me-down used bit from a friend that runs a pro LPKF mill.  For pro purposes the bits are swapped out after so many inches of cut, but for my less-discriminating and low-budget application these are fine.  Obviously with the v-shape I need to be careful about how far I plunge into the copper as the cut gets wider the deeper you go.  This causes grief where traces are tight together and the toolpath out of pcb-gcode is fixed at a certain width.  I know 45 degree v-bits are available and would be less sensitive to this phenomenon, but no experience with those.

For a different spindle design, check out Dave&#039;s work: http://makeyourbot.org/ on the Mantis 9 mill.  If I had better shipping rates to Canada from http://www.sdp-si.com/ and http://www.mcmaster.com/ I would have already built one of these.

Really like your site.  It&#039;s a must-read in my RSS feeds.

DW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith, I&#8217;m using a 60 degree v-shaped bit.  It&#8217;s a hand-me-down used bit from a friend that runs a pro LPKF mill.  For pro purposes the bits are swapped out after so many inches of cut, but for my less-discriminating and low-budget application these are fine.  Obviously with the v-shape I need to be careful about how far I plunge into the copper as the cut gets wider the deeper you go.  This causes grief where traces are tight together and the toolpath out of pcb-gcode is fixed at a certain width.  I know 45 degree v-bits are available and would be less sensitive to this phenomenon, but no experience with those.</p>
<p>For a different spindle design, check out Dave&#8217;s work: <a href="http://makeyourbot.org/" rel="nofollow">http://makeyourbot.org/</a> on the Mantis 9 mill.  If I had better shipping rates to Canada from <a href="http://www.sdp-si.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sdp-si.com/</a> and <a href="http://www.mcmaster.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mcmaster.com/</a> I would have already built one of these.</p>
<p>Really like your site.  It&#8217;s a must-read in my RSS feeds.</p>
<p>DW</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Neufeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Neufeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 21:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darin, great-looking boards and nice job on the meticulous improvements!  I&#039;d love to find a spindle well-balanced enough that it doesn&#039;t require remote mounting, but I&#039;ll keep that in mind.

What&#039;s the bit you&#039;re using in the picture above &quot;The tie wraps work well?&quot;  I like collared bits, so I might be interested in trying some of those.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darin, great-looking boards and nice job on the meticulous improvements!  I&#8217;d love to find a spindle well-balanced enough that it doesn&#8217;t require remote mounting, but I&#8217;ll keep that in mind.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the bit you&#8217;re using in the picture above &#8220;The tie wraps work well?&#8221;  I like collared bits, so I might be interested in trying some of those.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Neufeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Neufeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 21:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pierre, I just ordered a set of bits from the same seller on the US eBay site.  Thanks for the pointer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pierre, I just ordered a set of bits from the same seller on the US eBay site.  Thanks for the pointer!</p>
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		<title>By: Darin White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darin White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 19:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Keith,

I had better results when I mounted my Dremel off my mill on a bungee and connecting a flex-shaft to the z-axis.  The reduced vibration made a huge difference in cut consistency.  See this post:
http://www.kwartzlab.ca/2010/06/pcb-cnc-mill-rocking-out-board/

DW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Keith,</p>
<p>I had better results when I mounted my Dremel off my mill on a bungee and connecting a flex-shaft to the z-axis.  The reduced vibration made a huge difference in cut consistency.  See this post:<br />
<a href="http://www.kwartzlab.ca/2010/06/pcb-cnc-mill-rocking-out-board/" rel="nofollow">http://www.kwartzlab.ca/2010/06/pcb-cnc-mill-rocking-out-board/</a></p>
<p>DW</p>
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		<title>By: equinoxefr</title>
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		<dc:creator>equinoxefr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 18:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

You can use carbide engraving bits from ebay. Ex: http://cgi.ebay.fr/5-Carbide-PCB-Engraving-Bit-CNC-Router-Tool-45-0-1mm-/250768483594?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&amp;hash=item3a62f7650a

If you can, buy high quality bits, epoxy on board is hard for your tools ;-)

Pierre</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>You can use carbide engraving bits from ebay. Ex: <a href="http://cgi.ebay.fr/5-Carbide-PCB-Engraving-Bit-CNC-Router-Tool-45-0-1mm-/250768483594?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&#038;hash=item3a62f7650a" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.fr/5-Carbide-PCB-Engraving-Bit-CNC-Router-Tool-45-0-1mm-/250768483594?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&#038;hash=item3a62f7650a</a></p>
<p>If you can, buy high quality bits, epoxy on board is hard for your tools <img src='http://www.neufeld.newton.ks.us/electronics/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Pierre</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Neufeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Neufeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 15:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy, 1/64&quot; is a little over 15 mil, which is a pretty large inter-trace distance on some of the boards I make.  I hope to find a pointed-tip bit with which I can make narrower isolation cuts (when desired).

The Make Your Bot guy does seem to have a pretty effective spindle setup, though!  I might give that a shot if nothing else pops up first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, 1/64&#8243; is a little over 15 mil, which is a pretty large inter-trace distance on some of the boards I make.  I hope to find a pointed-tip bit with which I can make narrower isolation cuts (when desired).</p>
<p>The Make Your Bot guy does seem to have a pretty effective spindle setup, though!  I might give that a shot if nothing else pops up first.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Soukup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Soukup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 15:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can buy 1/32&quot; and 1/64&quot; end mills on ebay for like $10.  I&#039;m working on building a PCB CNC from scratch that is based off of http://makeyourbot.org/start (and by $100 CNC, he means $300)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can buy 1/32&#8243; and 1/64&#8243; end mills on ebay for like $10.  I&#8217;m working on building a PCB CNC from scratch that is based off of <a href="http://makeyourbot.org/start" rel="nofollow">http://makeyourbot.org/start</a> (and by $100 CNC, he means $300)</p>
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