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	<title>Comments on: Auto Power Sequencer for SAE A502 and A202 Amplifiers</title>
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		<title>By: randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 23:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi i have a sae 202a i love this amp i have it more that 5 year it work well , until now . same speaker i have but now when i used 2 it sound weak n when i take 1 speaker off it play well. nothing is blow do u think its a jack or some</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi i have a sae 202a i love this amp i have it more that 5 year it work well , until now . same speaker i have but now when i used 2 it sound weak n when i take 1 speaker off it play well. nothing is blow do u think its a jack or some</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Neufeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Neufeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 02:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, I don&#039;t recall exactly -- I&#039;d have to go back to the schematic.  If you&#039;re looking at it, they&#039;re all in the upper right quadrant and they connect to the relays.

When you feed it a signal, does it still light up the VU meters on the front?  They&#039;re fed from the tail end of the power amplification stage but just before the protection circuits -- so if the meters still work, the amplification circuitry is still good and there&#039;s a problem in the protection / relay section.

If the meters do work, are both A and B outputs broken?  If yes, it&#039;s almost certainly one of the protection circuits.  If B works but not A, it&#039;s almost certainly the A-channel relays (and you can maybe live with using the B outputs instead).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I don&#8217;t recall exactly &#8212; I&#8217;d have to go back to the schematic.  If you&#8217;re looking at it, they&#8217;re all in the upper right quadrant and they connect to the relays.</p>
<p>When you feed it a signal, does it still light up the VU meters on the front?  They&#8217;re fed from the tail end of the power amplification stage but just before the protection circuits &#8212; so if the meters still work, the amplification circuitry is still good and there&#8217;s a problem in the protection / relay section.</p>
<p>If the meters do work, are both A and B outputs broken?  If yes, it&#8217;s almost certainly one of the protection circuits.  If B works but not A, it&#8217;s almost certainly the A-channel relays (and you can maybe live with using the B outputs instead).</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 02:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My A502 just quit outputting signal, I was in the bridged mode and it just stopped.  The fuses check ok and everything lights up.  What are those shutdown circuits you spoke of and can they be reset?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My A502 just quit outputting signal, I was in the bridged mode and it just stopped.  The fuses check ok and everything lights up.  What are those shutdown circuits you spoke of and can they be reset?</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Neufeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Neufeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brent, on my amplifiers the standby input and output are to daisy-chain to multiple devices, not in and out for the current path of one signal.  The current is sent on the tip and returned on the shield.

Have you opened your equipment and drawn out the circuit?  Going in, I had no idea whether these amplifiers used voltage or current for remote standby, and how much.  You&#039;re going to want to know that for sure before you start sending electricity into whatever it is that you have.  And the circuit that you discover will tell you what you want to feed in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brent, on my amplifiers the standby input and output are to daisy-chain to multiple devices, not in and out for the current path of one signal.  The current is sent on the tip and returned on the shield.</p>
<p>Have you opened your equipment and drawn out the circuit?  Going in, I had no idea whether these amplifiers used voltage or current for remote standby, and how much.  You&#8217;re going to want to know that for sure before you start sending electricity into whatever it is that you have.  And the circuit that you discover will tell you what you want to feed in.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

I&#039;m looking at doing a similar application but am not sure how to do it.
Do I put 5VDc through the input and return it through the output back to the source or do you just feed the 5VDC throught the input and use the components shield as the ground referance with no return line throught the output.

Basically to I make a complete loop or just a single wire input?
what do you recommend limiting the current to?

Thanks for the help.
- Brent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking at doing a similar application but am not sure how to do it.<br />
Do I put 5VDc through the input and return it through the output back to the source or do you just feed the 5VDC throught the input and use the components shield as the ground referance with no return line throught the output.</p>
<p>Basically to I make a complete loop or just a single wire input?<br />
what do you recommend limiting the current to?</p>
<p>Thanks for the help.<br />
- Brent</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Neufeld</title>
		<link>http://www.neufeld.newton.ks.us/electronics/?p=159&#038;cpage=1#comment-22120</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Neufeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, that&#039;s a tough question.  Off the top of my head I don&#039;t know where the fuse is on the A501 -- I&#039;d guess accessible directly from the back, but there are probably internal fuses as well.

The real issue, though, is that the fuse probably blew for a reason.  If you&#039;re lucky, the reason is that you were playing your music too loud at the same time you bumped the amplifier and the hot filament in the fuse just gave out .&#160;.&#160;. but my experience with SAE&#039;s engineering doesn&#039;t lead me to suspect it would fail under normal operation, no matter how hard you&#039;re pushing it.  No, I suspect you have a component failure that shorted something internally, and the fuse did its job, but you still have a broken amp. :-(

My best suggestion is to find a repair shop in your area with a technician who knows transistor amps inside and out, rather than a new tech school graduate who only knows how to work off the manufacturer&#039;s troubleshooting chart (since there aren&#039;t any for these old amps).  And that&#039;s not a happy thing to have to tell you.

The other option is, yeah, find yourself another A501 (or other model) somewhere.  And if you do that, don&#039;t throw out the broken one -- even broken SAE equipment can bring a fine price on eBay, so at least sell it to someone who can (try to) repair it.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, and best of luck with it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, that&#8217;s a tough question.  Off the top of my head I don&#8217;t know where the fuse is on the A501 &#8212; I&#8217;d guess accessible directly from the back, but there are probably internal fuses as well.</p>
<p>The real issue, though, is that the fuse probably blew for a reason.  If you&#8217;re lucky, the reason is that you were playing your music too loud at the same time you bumped the amplifier and the hot filament in the fuse just gave out .&nbsp;.&nbsp;. but my experience with SAE&#8217;s engineering doesn&#8217;t lead me to suspect it would fail under normal operation, no matter how hard you&#8217;re pushing it.  No, I suspect you have a component failure that shorted something internally, and the fuse did its job, but you still have a broken amp. <img src='http://www.neufeld.newton.ks.us/electronics/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My best suggestion is to find a repair shop in your area with a technician who knows transistor amps inside and out, rather than a new tech school graduate who only knows how to work off the manufacturer&#8217;s troubleshooting chart (since there aren&#8217;t any for these old amps).  And that&#8217;s not a happy thing to have to tell you.</p>
<p>The other option is, yeah, find yourself another A501 (or other model) somewhere.  And if you do that, don&#8217;t throw out the broken one &#8212; even broken SAE equipment can bring a fine price on eBay, so at least sell it to someone who can (try to) repair it.</p>
<p>Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, and best of luck with it!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have an A501 amplifier and I have blown the fuse on it.  How do I go about replacing it if that&#039;s possible?  Or do I suck it up and purchase a used A501 somewhere out there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have an A501 amplifier and I have blown the fuse on it.  How do I go about replacing it if that&#8217;s possible?  Or do I suck it up and purchase a used A501 somewhere out there?</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i would be interested in your kit  also info or kit on using the speaker out put to run  regular house light bulbs say 40 watt or less  so the light would follow the increase and decrease in speaker out put . 
Thanks for any information you may offer 
Kevin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i would be interested in your kit  also info or kit on using the speaker out put to run  regular house light bulbs say 40 watt or less  so the light would follow the increase and decrease in speaker out put .<br />
Thanks for any information you may offer<br />
Kevin</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Neufeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Neufeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, correction:  I&#039;ve never had an A501; I was thinking of a different amp.

I just saw a couple on eBay and remembered which model they are.  Hang onto that baby!  That&#039;s a nice amp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, correction:  I&#8217;ve never had an A501; I was thinking of a different amp.</p>
<p>I just saw a couple on eBay and remembered which model they are.  Hang onto that baby!  That&#8217;s a nice amp.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Neufeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Neufeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, I don&#039;t know quite how to answer.  I replaced my A501 with an A502, but I never did an A-B or A-B-X comparison, so I can&#039;t speak to the sound and I can&#039;t offer a good recommendation.

For price, I think you&#039;re best off watching eBay for a while or using one of the services that shows you recent auction-end prices.  I know a few A501s have sold in the last few months; but not being in the market for them, I haven&#039;t paid attention to price.  I would &lt;em&gt;guess&lt;/em&gt; they bring $75-200 plus about $40 to ship.

If you&#039;re &lt;em&gt;using&lt;/em&gt; the A501, and don&#039;t have other gear that you want to replace it with, I&#039;d say keep it.  I&#039;m personally enamored of the A502, but all the SAE stuff is really pretty good gear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I don&#8217;t know quite how to answer.  I replaced my A501 with an A502, but I never did an A-B or A-B-X comparison, so I can&#8217;t speak to the sound and I can&#8217;t offer a good recommendation.</p>
<p>For price, I think you&#8217;re best off watching eBay for a while or using one of the services that shows you recent auction-end prices.  I know a few A501s have sold in the last few months; but not being in the market for them, I haven&#8217;t paid attention to price.  I would <em>guess</em> they bring $75-200 plus about $40 to ship.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re <em>using</em> the A501, and don&#8217;t have other gear that you want to replace it with, I&#8217;d say keep it.  I&#8217;m personally enamored of the A502, but all the SAE stuff is really pretty good gear.</p>
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