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	<title>Comments on: 60,000 mcd Sure Sounds Bright</title>
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		<title>By: Mad Dozza</title>
		<link>http://www.neufeld.newton.ks.us/electronics/?p=187&#038;cpage=1#comment-21059</link>
		<dc:creator>Mad Dozza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought about making a slowly undimming light controlled by a timer for a sunrise simulator. After reading this i think LED&#039;s may be the way to go as long as they are bright enough, gets away from using mains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought about making a slowly undimming light controlled by a timer for a sunrise simulator. After reading this i think LED&#8217;s may be the way to go as long as they are bright enough, gets away from using mains.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blue appears brighter because it&#039;s a shorter wavelength and scatters more efficiently. Think of why the sky appears blue... Rayleigh and all that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blue appears brighter because it&#8217;s a shorter wavelength and scatters more efficiently. Think of why the sky appears blue&#8230; Rayleigh and all that.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, while we&#039;re talking about clocks, here&#039;s another idea for you.  I&#039;d like a clock that displays the time serially via a single LED (or Neon, or...).  The reason is that I&#039;m extremely near-sighted [1], so much so that I can&#039;t read even a huge clock at night without my glasses.  But, I can see a light (even if it does appear exceptionally fuzzy), and I could count the blinks to tell what time it is.  

[1] How near-sighted?  I once went into a place that makes glasses in one hour (while you wait).  When I handed my prescription to the optician, she read it, and then screamed (in front of a packed waiting room) &quot;OH MY GOD!  We can&#039;t make these!&quot;.  Now that&#039;s near-sighted!

Another variation would be to use different colour LEDs (Think of sort of a 
binary display clock with the different binary digits represented by different coloured LEDs).  

Anyway, just some fun ideas to think about.

Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, while we&#8217;re talking about clocks, here&#8217;s another idea for you.  I&#8217;d like a clock that displays the time serially via a single LED (or Neon, or&#8230;).  The reason is that I&#8217;m extremely near-sighted [1], so much so that I can&#8217;t read even a huge clock at night without my glasses.  But, I can see a light (even if it does appear exceptionally fuzzy), and I could count the blinks to tell what time it is.  </p>
<p>[1] How near-sighted?  I once went into a place that makes glasses in one hour (while you wait).  When I handed my prescription to the optician, she read it, and then screamed (in front of a packed waiting room) &#8220;OH MY GOD!  We can&#8217;t make these!&#8221;.  Now that&#8217;s near-sighted!</p>
<p>Another variation would be to use different colour LEDs (Think of sort of a<br />
binary display clock with the different binary digits represented by different coloured LEDs).  </p>
<p>Anyway, just some fun ideas to think about.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget to factor in the fact that the sensitivity of the human eye drops off towards the blue end of the spectrum.  Additionally, as people age, the lens of their eye tends to yellow, and this may decrease the sensitivity to blue even more.  Of course, that doesn&#039;t explain why the blues look brighter than the yellows.  :-/

You might also consider some of the super-efficient red LEDs.

As for diffusing the cases, in an extreme case, I&#039;ve even been known to take to the epoxy case with a rasp and turn the dome into a flat surface, which broadens the viewing angle significantly.  Don&#039;t go too deep with this, since you don&#039;t want to risk cutting the bond wire to the top of the chip.  But, it can be done (I&#039;ve also drilled holes into the epoxy in order to glue a fiber optic into an LED (not that I&#039;d recommend this for the sunrise clock idea).).

As for the clock idea, I&#039;ve long thought about building a clock which, when the alarm goes off, it gradually increases the room lighting, simulating the natural increase of light at sunrise.  However, I haven&#039;t yet done anything with the idea yet.  My preferred implementation would probably be to use a microcontroller to build the clock with, and have that vary the triggering of a triac which controls an incandescent lamp (Yeah, remember all about safety with regards to isolation from the AC line and such.).  I know that incandescents are much less efficient than fluorescents (regular or CFLs), but it might be easier to building the circuit using an incandescent.  The other approach might be to use a fluorescent and pulse width modulate the power to it (But, that will get tricky, what with having to factor in ballasts, and the fact that glow discharge lamps are extremely nonlinear devices; Plus fluorescent lamps are even more nonlinear since the glow discharge characteristics depend upon the temperature of the gas and how much of the Mercury has vapourized).  

Dave

P.S. Welcome to the wonderful world of optics.  I used to work in an opto-electronics lab, and it&#039;s an eye opening experience (if you&#039;ll pardon the pun!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget to factor in the fact that the sensitivity of the human eye drops off towards the blue end of the spectrum.  Additionally, as people age, the lens of their eye tends to yellow, and this may decrease the sensitivity to blue even more.  Of course, that doesn&#8217;t explain why the blues look brighter than the yellows.  :-/</p>
<p>You might also consider some of the super-efficient red LEDs.</p>
<p>As for diffusing the cases, in an extreme case, I&#8217;ve even been known to take to the epoxy case with a rasp and turn the dome into a flat surface, which broadens the viewing angle significantly.  Don&#8217;t go too deep with this, since you don&#8217;t want to risk cutting the bond wire to the top of the chip.  But, it can be done (I&#8217;ve also drilled holes into the epoxy in order to glue a fiber optic into an LED (not that I&#8217;d recommend this for the sunrise clock idea).).</p>
<p>As for the clock idea, I&#8217;ve long thought about building a clock which, when the alarm goes off, it gradually increases the room lighting, simulating the natural increase of light at sunrise.  However, I haven&#8217;t yet done anything with the idea yet.  My preferred implementation would probably be to use a microcontroller to build the clock with, and have that vary the triggering of a triac which controls an incandescent lamp (Yeah, remember all about safety with regards to isolation from the AC line and such.).  I know that incandescents are much less efficient than fluorescents (regular or CFLs), but it might be easier to building the circuit using an incandescent.  The other approach might be to use a fluorescent and pulse width modulate the power to it (But, that will get tricky, what with having to factor in ballasts, and the fact that glow discharge lamps are extremely nonlinear devices; Plus fluorescent lamps are even more nonlinear since the glow discharge characteristics depend upon the temperature of the gas and how much of the Mercury has vapourized).  </p>
<p>Dave</p>
<p>P.S. Welcome to the wonderful world of optics.  I used to work in an opto-electronics lab, and it&#8217;s an eye opening experience (if you&#8217;ll pardon the pun!).</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Neufeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Neufeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, I already have some Luxeon IIIs and a V.  Yes, they&#039;re &lt;em&gt;extremely&lt;/em&gt; bright.  But as you note, the heatsink and the need for current control make them a bit clumsier than traditional LEDs.

In the pictures above, I was running about 7V through all the LEDs, which is 50mA order of magnitude.  Earlier I had run them up even higher, probably to or beyond 100mA, briefly.

Oh, and then there was the yellow one I burned out because I was using a 100&#937; inductor instead of resistor.  (Well, it &lt;em&gt;looked&lt;/em&gt; like a resistor -- even in a tan package -- just a little lumpier.)  It glowed a strange orangey-red color as it was dying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, I already have some Luxeon IIIs and a V.  Yes, they&#8217;re <em>extremely</em> bright.  But as you note, the heatsink and the need for current control make them a bit clumsier than traditional LEDs.</p>
<p>In the pictures above, I was running about 7V through all the LEDs, which is 50mA order of magnitude.  Earlier I had run them up even higher, probably to or beyond 100mA, briefly.</p>
<p>Oh, and then there was the yellow one I burned out because I was using a 100&Omega; inductor instead of resistor.  (Well, it <em>looked</em> like a resistor &#8212; even in a tan package &#8212; just a little lumpier.)  It glowed a strange orangey-red color as it was dying.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 04:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might check out these fellows from sparkfun:

http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=602

They are expensive, but *very* bright.  How many volts are you using to drive the LEDs?  I know LEDs like the Luxeon need heatsinks and often a PWM controller is used to regulate power to the LED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might check out these fellows from sparkfun:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=602" rel="nofollow">http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=602</a></p>
<p>They are expensive, but *very* bright.  How many volts are you using to drive the LEDs?  I know LEDs like the Luxeon need heatsinks and often a PWM controller is used to regulate power to the LED.</p>
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