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		<title>By: Newt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Newt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 04:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For years I have been using a soldering iron to heat the solder

then I use an air hose to blast off the solder. This works really

good. Just be sure to do it outside where there is no chance of

fire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For years I have been using a soldering iron to heat the solder</p>
<p>then I use an air hose to blast off the solder. This works really</p>
<p>good. Just be sure to do it outside where there is no chance of</p>
<p>fire.</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad Braam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conrad Braam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi tehgringe.
Agreed on the 3rd point. I take pictures of things before fiddling, now that digital cameras are good enough to see better with than me own eyes.

A tgimboej is probably not a great place for SMT components, but they are light, and the idea of the box is to give others a chance to get components they would not otherwise get. I would stick them in, with a label on the packet saying &quot;un-tested&quot;.
My rules for sticking something into a www.tgimboej.org box:
1. I would love to build this into something, but I&#039;m honestly never going to get around to using it.
2. I dunno what it is, but it probably works.
3. I have lots of these, and cannot possibly use them all.

I will have to try get a heat gun :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi tehgringe.<br />
Agreed on the 3rd point. I take pictures of things before fiddling, now that digital cameras are good enough to see better with than me own eyes.</p>
<p>A tgimboej is probably not a great place for SMT components, but they are light, and the idea of the box is to give others a chance to get components they would not otherwise get. I would stick them in, with a label on the packet saying &#8220;un-tested&#8221;.<br />
My rules for sticking something into a <a href="http://www.tgimboej.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.tgimboej.org</a> box:<br />
1. I would love to build this into something, but I&#8217;m honestly never going to get around to using it.<br />
2. I dunno what it is, but it probably works.<br />
3. I have lots of these, and cannot possibly use them all.</p>
<p>I will have to try get a heat gun <img src='http://www.neufeld.newton.ks.us/electronics/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tehgringe</title>
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		<dc:creator>tehgringe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folow up on my attempts with a heat gun. It works! Better than I expected.

So my tips based on the 20 boards I&#039;ve stripped so far.

1. Heat up the face side of SMD components and scrape them off before working the other parts...they pop, and shoot off, sometimes inside the gun :)

2. Plastic parts, focus the heat on the underside, and remove plastic parts first, BEFORE the board gets  too hot. - I used this to obtain some more optical encoders, lots of switches, and connectors.

3. If there is a particular IC that you are interested KEEP the board handy, or better still take a picture of the wiring BEFORE you break it down. That way, if you can&#039;t fid a datasheet on the small LCD screen it drives, you can perhaps figure out what is going on using the original (HT1621D driving an unknown LCD in my case).

I now have a question. What do I do with this bag full of SMD IC&#039;s that I have no use of? Conrad Braam, is it worth sticking these into TIMBOEJ box?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folow up on my attempts with a heat gun. It works! Better than I expected.</p>
<p>So my tips based on the 20 boards I&#8217;ve stripped so far.</p>
<p>1. Heat up the face side of SMD components and scrape them off before working the other parts&#8230;they pop, and shoot off, sometimes inside the gun <img src='http://www.neufeld.newton.ks.us/electronics/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>2. Plastic parts, focus the heat on the underside, and remove plastic parts first, BEFORE the board gets  too hot. &#8211; I used this to obtain some more optical encoders, lots of switches, and connectors.</p>
<p>3. If there is a particular IC that you are interested KEEP the board handy, or better still take a picture of the wiring BEFORE you break it down. That way, if you can&#8217;t fid a datasheet on the small LCD screen it drives, you can perhaps figure out what is going on using the original (HT1621D driving an unknown LCD in my case).</p>
<p>I now have a question. What do I do with this bag full of SMD IC&#8217;s that I have no use of? Conrad Braam, is it worth sticking these into TIMBOEJ box?</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad Braam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conrad Braam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who would like to share (recycle) parts is also encouraged to check out The Great Internet Migratory Box &#039;O Electronics Junk or TIMBOEJ www.tgimboej.org . I have started 2 boxes of junk on migratory paths this year.

Anyone wanting to contact me, and send a box of junk my way, just google my name, yes, that&#039;s me.

As far as solder on boards, I can only imagine a solder bath holds one kind of solder only, if it did not, there would be board failures one suspects. If some parts are harder to remove, it&#039;s the hole size that is intentionally differing, or whether the hole is in fact thru-plated or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who would like to share (recycle) parts is also encouraged to check out The Great Internet Migratory Box &#8216;O Electronics Junk or TIMBOEJ <a href="http://www.tgimboej.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.tgimboej.org</a> . I have started 2 boxes of junk on migratory paths this year.</p>
<p>Anyone wanting to contact me, and send a box of junk my way, just google my name, yes, that&#8217;s me.</p>
<p>As far as solder on boards, I can only imagine a solder bath holds one kind of solder only, if it did not, there would be board failures one suspects. If some parts are harder to remove, it&#8217;s the hole size that is intentionally differing, or whether the hole is in fact thru-plated or not.</p>
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		<title>By: tehgringe</title>
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		<dc:creator>tehgringe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is quality. I&#039;ve been salvaging anything I can from printers/scanners. I am mostly after the stepper motors (or as I have learnt, standard DC motors with Optical Encoders + wheels). Old AFGA scanners if anyone is looking for decent stepper motors - is it worth me documenting the build quality/components etc from my endless supply of printers and scanners?

Anyway, the heat gun thing I shall be trying this evening. Thanks for sharing. I wanted to chip in and mention something when desoldering with an iron. I noticed on some of the HP boards, that holed components had a square and a circle on a resistor. One would heat up fairly quickly, the other would take a LONG time. Are manufacturers mixing solder types to make it harder to salvage/recycle the boards?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is quality. I&#8217;ve been salvaging anything I can from printers/scanners. I am mostly after the stepper motors (or as I have learnt, standard DC motors with Optical Encoders + wheels). Old AFGA scanners if anyone is looking for decent stepper motors &#8211; is it worth me documenting the build quality/components etc from my endless supply of printers and scanners?</p>
<p>Anyway, the heat gun thing I shall be trying this evening. Thanks for sharing. I wanted to chip in and mention something when desoldering with an iron. I noticed on some of the HP boards, that holed components had a square and a circle on a resistor. One would heat up fairly quickly, the other would take a LONG time. Are manufacturers mixing solder types to make it harder to salvage/recycle the boards?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe how much time I put in trying to desolder with an iron, a sucker and some wick.  This method is 50 times faster at least.  I like when the board shakes, some solder flies, and several components just fly off the board.  :-)

Good ventilation is a must.  We work on these in a wood shop, with the big vents running.  We also have a fan blowing at the board from behind the person, so the fumes are pushed away to begin with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe how much time I put in trying to desolder with an iron, a sucker and some wick.  This method is 50 times faster at least.  I like when the board shakes, some solder flies, and several components just fly off the board.  <img src='http://www.neufeld.newton.ks.us/electronics/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Good ventilation is a must.  We work on these in a wood shop, with the big vents running.  We also have a fan blowing at the board from behind the person, so the fumes are pushed away to begin with.</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad Braam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conrad Braam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good advice thanks. Chisel is my fave tool for breaking up the board to start with as well as to bend leads straight enough to desolder things.
I will have to get a really powerfull heat gun before my next salvage project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good advice thanks. Chisel is my fave tool for breaking up the board to start with as well as to bend leads straight enough to desolder things.<br />
I will have to get a really powerfull heat gun before my next salvage project.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Neufeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Neufeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>INTJ, glad it worked better when you retried.

I don&#039;t have any trouble heating larger solder blobs with my heat gun.  One thing I do notice, though, is that the heat delivery pattern of my heat gun is not as obvious as I&#039;d think, and it often helps to wave the gun around a little (even just 1/2&quot; side to side).

I can often get TO-220s with the heat gun, and often can&#039;t.  My assessment is that it has to do with the size of the through-holes more than the amount of solder -- with bigger holes, the solder melts and the parts fall right out.  Toward the bottom of a &lt;a href=&quot;?p=46&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;much older post&lt;/a&gt;, I relate my tremendous success using an iron with a .3&quot; chisel tip to get TO-220s.  Didn&#039;t need the heat gun at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>INTJ, glad it worked better when you retried.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have any trouble heating larger solder blobs with my heat gun.  One thing I do notice, though, is that the heat delivery pattern of my heat gun is not as obvious as I&#8217;d think, and it often helps to wave the gun around a little (even just 1/2&#8243; side to side).</p>
<p>I can often get TO-220s with the heat gun, and often can&#8217;t.  My assessment is that it has to do with the size of the through-holes more than the amount of solder &#8212; with bigger holes, the solder melts and the parts fall right out.  Toward the bottom of a <a href="?p=46" rel="nofollow">much older post</a>, I relate my tremendous success using an iron with a .3&#8243; chisel tip to get TO-220s.  Didn&#8217;t need the heat gun at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. INTJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. INTJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 03:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I tried again tonight, and had much better luck. I was able to remove a bunch of the 7-segment LEDs with no apparent damage (pending testing).

It takes longer than I thought it would, and it seems like bigger blobs of solder are resistant to head-gun heat, even when other pins are completely molten. Components with larger pins (e.g. TO-220) refuse to come out this way. I can pull forever - eventually I can see the board around the pins getting soft, but the solder isn&#039;t molten because the leads are just wicking away too much heat.

In one case, I was removing a 5-pin component that stubbornly refused to let go of one pin (with more solder than the others). I had my soldering iron on, and without removing the heat gun, I picked up the iron with my free hand and touched the pin. The part immediately came loose. 

This led me to wonder about a hybrid approach: using the heat gun to sustain heat, and using the soldering iron on each pin. I&#039;m going to give this a try and see if it&#039;s significantly better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I tried again tonight, and had much better luck. I was able to remove a bunch of the 7-segment LEDs with no apparent damage (pending testing).</p>
<p>It takes longer than I thought it would, and it seems like bigger blobs of solder are resistant to head-gun heat, even when other pins are completely molten. Components with larger pins (e.g. TO-220) refuse to come out this way. I can pull forever &#8211; eventually I can see the board around the pins getting soft, but the solder isn&#8217;t molten because the leads are just wicking away too much heat.</p>
<p>In one case, I was removing a 5-pin component that stubbornly refused to let go of one pin (with more solder than the others). I had my soldering iron on, and without removing the heat gun, I picked up the iron with my free hand and touched the pin. The part immediately came loose. </p>
<p>This led me to wonder about a hybrid approach: using the heat gun to sustain heat, and using the soldering iron on each pin. I&#8217;m going to give this a try and see if it&#8217;s significantly better.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Neufeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Neufeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>INTJ, I damage the most parts when I&#039;m impatient and pulling too hard too early -- it really takes a while to get things heated up.  But I usually heat for a long time and rock &lt;em&gt;extremely&lt;/em&gt; gently just so I know they&#039;re loose, then pull only when they&#039;re so loose they&#039;re about to fall out on their own.  It sounds like you were doing much the same thing.

I&#039;ve salvaged a few boards where the drill holes were so small, the pins physically fit through very tightly regardless of solder.  Maybe that&#039;s what happened here?

Any chance you could email me some close-up pics of one or two of those boards, maybe before and after?  Don&#039;t know whether I can really do remote diagnosis, but it might ring a bell with something I&#039;ve encountered before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>INTJ, I damage the most parts when I&#8217;m impatient and pulling too hard too early &#8212; it really takes a while to get things heated up.  But I usually heat for a long time and rock <em>extremely</em> gently just so I know they&#8217;re loose, then pull only when they&#8217;re so loose they&#8217;re about to fall out on their own.  It sounds like you were doing much the same thing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve salvaged a few boards where the drill holes were so small, the pins physically fit through very tightly regardless of solder.  Maybe that&#8217;s what happened here?</p>
<p>Any chance you could email me some close-up pics of one or two of those boards, maybe before and after?  Don&#8217;t know whether I can really do remote diagnosis, but it might ring a bell with something I&#8217;ve encountered before.</p>
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