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	<title>Comments on: Fixing an LED Sign</title>
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		<title>By: Vincent Greene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vincent Greene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the LED fix wih the SMT devices.  Your detailed descriptions of the steps you take and logic of the process make your blog the best of its kind on the net.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the LED fix wih the SMT devices.  Your detailed descriptions of the steps you take and logic of the process make your blog the best of its kind on the net.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 00:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting fix.  Thanks!

One thing to be aware of is that some white LEDs are based on a UV LED with a white phosphor mix, and some phosphors are subject to early burnout.  I have some early white LEDs that are exceptionally dim now due to the phosphor burnout.

As for the construction of the sign, US$300 for a sign of that size/complexity/number of LEDs isn&#039;t all that bad.  Blue (and white) LEDs are a bit more expensive than red LEDs, and there are about 250 blue LEDs.  So, the LED parts alone may have eaten up a significant portion of that cost, with another chunk taken the by the material and machining for the box, and a bit more for the labour of wiring it up.

As for the wire, stripped network cable is a surprisingly good source for inexpensive hook up wire.  I use it quite often.  Plus, significant lengths of it are often surplus.

The power supply is definitely a bit wonky, though.  That little voltage margin is not a good design, especially given that the mains voltage can vary +/- 10 percent or so under extreme conditions.  If it were me designing it, I think I would have went with a bit more head room, even if that had decreased the efficiency a bit.  Or, went with a voltage regulator chip.  Or, an LED driver chip.  

Nice fix on the power connector.  I just hope the wall wart never goes bad and needs replacing (since the now non-standard connector will be impossible to duplicate, unless someone knows the trick).  As for the switch, I do think I would have plugged the hole, just to keep dust/debris out.  

As for intermittent failures, some LEDs seem to have a plating on the leads that is prone to flaking off and/or making bad contact.  This was especially true with ancient LEDs.  I thought that problem had mostly been fixed with recent production devices.  But, without knowing the history/heritage of the particular LEDs, it&#039;s impossible to know.  

Also, I&#039;ve thought about building segments, using a similar technique, for a really large 7 segment display.  Might yet get to that.

Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting fix.  Thanks!</p>
<p>One thing to be aware of is that some white LEDs are based on a UV LED with a white phosphor mix, and some phosphors are subject to early burnout.  I have some early white LEDs that are exceptionally dim now due to the phosphor burnout.</p>
<p>As for the construction of the sign, US$300 for a sign of that size/complexity/number of LEDs isn&#8217;t all that bad.  Blue (and white) LEDs are a bit more expensive than red LEDs, and there are about 250 blue LEDs.  So, the LED parts alone may have eaten up a significant portion of that cost, with another chunk taken the by the material and machining for the box, and a bit more for the labour of wiring it up.</p>
<p>As for the wire, stripped network cable is a surprisingly good source for inexpensive hook up wire.  I use it quite often.  Plus, significant lengths of it are often surplus.</p>
<p>The power supply is definitely a bit wonky, though.  That little voltage margin is not a good design, especially given that the mains voltage can vary +/- 10 percent or so under extreme conditions.  If it were me designing it, I think I would have went with a bit more head room, even if that had decreased the efficiency a bit.  Or, went with a voltage regulator chip.  Or, an LED driver chip.  </p>
<p>Nice fix on the power connector.  I just hope the wall wart never goes bad and needs replacing (since the now non-standard connector will be impossible to duplicate, unless someone knows the trick).  As for the switch, I do think I would have plugged the hole, just to keep dust/debris out.  </p>
<p>As for intermittent failures, some LEDs seem to have a plating on the leads that is prone to flaking off and/or making bad contact.  This was especially true with ancient LEDs.  I thought that problem had mostly been fixed with recent production devices.  But, without knowing the history/heritage of the particular LEDs, it&#8217;s impossible to know.  </p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;ve thought about building segments, using a similar technique, for a really large 7 segment display.  Might yet get to that.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>By: whackpak</title>
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		<dc:creator>whackpak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 01:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s more interesting on the inside than on the outside. Nice hack with the 5mm leds :)</description>
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