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	<title>Comments on: Interesting Bits of Old Motherboards</title>
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		<title>By: Fred Jodry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Jodry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>INTJ, to renew your solder braid, tooth brush it with clear vinegar, rinse then dry it, then add a stripping of your appropriate soldering flux. Voil\a! Same advice as Keith above. Let me know if you guys mail parts trades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>INTJ, to renew your solder braid, tooth brush it with clear vinegar, rinse then dry it, then add a stripping of your appropriate soldering flux. Voil\a! Same advice as Keith above. Let me know if you guys mail parts trades.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Neufeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Neufeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>INTJ, a &lt;a href=&quot;?p=213&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;heat gun&lt;/a&gt; is your friend.

Regarding the solder braid, I&#039;ve had trouble with some recently too.  I noticed that it was old and all the flux had flaked off -- refreshing it with wet flux (a dip or a drop) makes it good as new.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>INTJ, a <a href="?p=213" rel="nofollow">heat gun</a> is your friend.</p>
<p>Regarding the solder braid, I&#8217;ve had trouble with some recently too.  I noticed that it was old and all the flux had flaked off &#8212; refreshing it with wet flux (a dip or a drop) makes it good as new.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. INTJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. INTJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got loads of discarded boards with all kinds of through-hole components on them, but I&#039;m having a lousy time removing anything with more than three leads.

I&#039;ve tried a solder sucker and desoldering braid. On really small pins, the sucker is awkward and I&#039;m usually not quick enough. The braid just doesn&#039;t seem to absorb much (could it be too old?)

I have a new variable-temp soldering station with a pencil-tip iron. I was trying to remove some really big electrolytics from a board at one point, and noticed that I couldn&#039;t melt the solder around the leads. Mind you, they were thicker than your average leads, but I had my iron turned up to max and had given it plenty of time to heat up... maybe my iron is a dud...

I was thinking of waving a small torch across the back side of the board while gently pulling on the desired part on the other side of the board. I don&#039;t mind toasting the board - it&#039;s the odd part that I want (due to the nasty vapors, I&#039;d do it outdoors of course). This weekend I calculated the cost of the bottled fuel (propane, MAP, whatever), and realized that I&#039;d have to come up with something else...

How do you guys do it?  Do you have special desoldering tools like hot-tweezers, or am I missing something?

Thanks.

Mr. INTJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got loads of discarded boards with all kinds of through-hole components on them, but I&#8217;m having a lousy time removing anything with more than three leads.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tried a solder sucker and desoldering braid. On really small pins, the sucker is awkward and I&#8217;m usually not quick enough. The braid just doesn&#8217;t seem to absorb much (could it be too old?)</p>
<p>I have a new variable-temp soldering station with a pencil-tip iron. I was trying to remove some really big electrolytics from a board at one point, and noticed that I couldn&#8217;t melt the solder around the leads. Mind you, they were thicker than your average leads, but I had my iron turned up to max and had given it plenty of time to heat up&#8230; maybe my iron is a dud&#8230;</p>
<p>I was thinking of waving a small torch across the back side of the board while gently pulling on the desired part on the other side of the board. I don&#8217;t mind toasting the board &#8211; it&#8217;s the odd part that I want (due to the nasty vapors, I&#8217;d do it outdoors of course). This weekend I calculated the cost of the bottled fuel (propane, MAP, whatever), and realized that I&#8217;d have to come up with something else&#8230;</p>
<p>How do you guys do it?  Do you have special desoldering tools like hot-tweezers, or am I missing something?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>Mr. INTJ</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Ewy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Ewy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of the two other boards, one has already had many of its socketed chips
 removed (I may still have them...), and the other was non-sampular.

JCE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of the two other boards, one has already had many of its socketed chips<br />
 removed (I may still have them&#8230;), and the other was non-sampular.</p>
<p>JCE</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Neufeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Neufeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, good eyes!  I hadn&#039;t noticed that, and there&#039;s another on a 16-pin chip to the right of that.

Joel has several more of these in better condition -- we&#039;ll have to check whether they were all made using stamped samples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, good eyes!  I hadn&#8217;t noticed that, and there&#8217;s another on a 16-pin chip to the right of that.</p>
<p>Joel has several more of these in better condition &#8212; we&#8217;ll have to check whether they were all made using stamped samples.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa!  Did you notice the stamp on that ethernet controller chip?  
&quot;Engr-Sample&quot;?  I bet you don&#039;t see that very often, especially on
production boards.

Interesting mix of DRAM chips.  Most systems I&#039;ve seen have used the
same manufacturer, but these seem to be a mix of manufacturers.  At 
least it has parity.

Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa!  Did you notice the stamp on that ethernet controller chip?<br />
&#8220;Engr-Sample&#8221;?  I bet you don&#8217;t see that very often, especially on<br />
production boards.</p>
<p>Interesting mix of DRAM chips.  Most systems I&#8217;ve seen have used the<br />
same manufacturer, but these seem to be a mix of manufacturers.  At<br />
least it has parity.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, these pics bring back memories. I remember the dual sockets for cache and such, that was pretty common back in the 8088/286 days. Seeing these old boards reminds me of repairing a motherboard back in my college days. I was too poor to buy a new board so I spent several evenings with a multimeter tracking down what turned out to be a faulty diode. After a quick trip to Radio Shack I was back in business, boy was I proud! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, these pics bring back memories. I remember the dual sockets for cache and such, that was pretty common back in the 8088/286 days. Seeing these old boards reminds me of repairing a motherboard back in my college days. I was too poor to buy a new board so I spent several evenings with a multimeter tracking down what turned out to be a faulty diode. After a quick trip to Radio Shack I was back in business, boy was I proud! <img src='http://www.neufeld.newton.ks.us/electronics/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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